Derpy News has the hookup!
http://mlp.derpynews.com/season-5-trailer-via-yahoo-tv/
Let's take a look
UPDATE: HD Version here
The prophecy is seeming more and more likely by the day, with this pony likely being Diana Moon Glampers, the Handicapper General
Let's take a look
UPDATE: HD Version here
The prophecy is seeming more and more likely by the day, with this pony likely being Diana Moon Glampers, the Handicapper General
THE LEAK WAS REAL AFTER ALL
ReplyDeleteIT WAS NOT A RUSE
OP SAYING IT WAS A RUSE WAS ACTUALLY THE RUSE
HOLY FUCK
What leak? The storyboards and animatic from Comic Con?
DeleteThere was a post a couple of days ago where someone supposedly leaked details about the premiere on 4chan, then ended by saying it was a ruse.
DeleteI see nothing in the trailer to confirm any of it, though. At least nothing that wasn't in the storyboards.
There was thread where some anon calimed he saw first two episodes of S5.
Deletehttp://www.horse-news.net/2015/02/season-5-premier-details-leaks.html?m=1
DeleteThere was literally nothing in there that could not have been predicted by anyone with half a brain who saw the animatic.
DeleteSeason 5 in all honesty looks...shit.
DeleteThey keep scaling back the characters to make it geuinely more kid friendly
The level of dialogue is on par with the beginning of the first EQG movie.
I still haven't seen the shitty second one so I can only assume it's not quite as bad as that.
Wow. You got all that from less than two minutes of out of context footage? Truly your insight is unparalleled, Mr. Holmes.
DeleteThe Ride Begins
ReplyDeleteHa! The rumors were right all along. Larson you are GOD!
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ReplyDeleteI was be content if Season 5 was nothing but dystopian future spoofs. Just so long as they don't include Divergent, that shit was weak.
ReplyDeletemfw capper general is now canon
ReplyDeleteSo is Ted Anderson.
DeleteStill proud m8?
I got into this show in its first season because it was slice of life.
ReplyDeleteEver since St. Faust left, it's just been one "epic" storyline after another.
RIP MLP:FiM.
St. Faust wanted to make it an adventure-heavy series with season arcs and shit.
DeleteWhat? You didn´t know Momma Faust wanted the show to be adventure-based? And you´ve been watching MLP from season 1? Again, WUT?
DeleteTrue, but the show turned out to be a more goofy slice of life show with morals ranging from basic to forced. The problem with the show getting more and more epic is that it'll likely only ever be restricted to the openers and finales, standing in stark contrast to the established meat lf the show. FiM isn't an epic action show, but sometimes it pretends to be. I think I would've rather had Faust's adventure show than the unbalanced hybrid we have today.
Delete>I think I would've rather had Faust's adventure show than the unbalanced hybrid we have today.
DeleteWhat? No. God no. FiM is a hybrid show. It relies on both types of episode to make its world whole.
Take away all slice of life episodes and go with Faust's original plan for an adventure-only series and you'd be left with a slew of arcs with all the same flaws that the fandom constantly bitches about in the adventure episodes as is (constantly trying to one-up the previous arc, reliance on deus ex machina, limitations due to it being a kids show, nobody but Twilight is actually important, etc.).
Take away all the adventure episodes like the season openers and finales on the other hand, and then you've got a show about some ordinary schlubs living in a fantastical magical wonderland where nothing noteworthy ever happens, we completely lose characters like Nightmare Moon and Discord and the intergral bits of lore that came with them, AND Faust would've had no passion for the show because she would've essentially been making My Little Pony Tales 2: This Time The Animation Is Better.
People are free to dislike either type of episode, but to suggest that the show would've been better without that type is simply wrong. If nothing else, a version of FiM that went wholly with one or the other would not have nearly as broad an appeal as the version we got.
Leaving aside the discussion about corporate meddling, I absolutely disagree, Anon. I have two reasons:
Delete1) The heart of the show is in the characters, which Faust designed. If anyone should know how to use them in an adventure setting, it should be her.
2) An adventure show is capable of having slice of life elements worked into any given arc. The reverse isn't necessarily true, especially in FiM's case. See shows like DBZ and Avatar: TLA.
For example, I think the Nightmare Moon arc could've lasted for at least another two episodes. This could've shown us the effects of extended night-time on the population as well as on the central characters, leading to anything from actual tension to drowsy slapstick, and throughout this mini-arc we would've also had more time to better establish the Mane 6's personalities and their importance to the story. Just having them be the exemplars of virtues like Honesty or Kindness at the beginning of the show, before we get to see them actually develop and display those traits, doesn't make sense, especially not for a slice-of-life show with pretensions of also being an adventure show. I think this would've also given the writers time to understand the characters better.
On the other hand, having a more heavily slice-of-life show is doable as well, even in a fantasy setting with some adventure episodes. I think the key there is rate of progression, or pacing, and a subtle foreshadowing or set-up of something bigger further down the road. I'd like to use Cowboy Bebop, an action show, as an example. The first episode has nothing to do with the main characters other than it's a day in the life of a bounty hunter; the only exception is the first minute before the intro sequence, which doesn't tell you anything. It shows you something that will be important later, without spelling it out to you. Here's an applied example: instead of having FiM start out by telling you the story of Celestia and Nightmare Moon, it starts out by telling you a different story, something having to do with the theme of the show--that being Friendship and Harmony, maybe the origin of the Elements of Harmony--before leaving off on a cryptic mention or reference to Nightmare Moon. This is where we'd find Twilight reading this passage in Canterlot, wondering to herself, "Hmm. Nightmare Moon? Where have I heard that before?" And then the show is her ending up in Ponyville's Golden Oaks library, continuing her research as she learns to live in a new place far from home. As for when Nightmare Moon would show up? Later!
>The reverse isn't necessarily true, especially in FiM's case.
DeleteOf course it is. Look at Dragonshy. Not commonly lumped in with the finales and openers is it? It's treated like just another episode of season one, which is mostly thought of as mainly being SoL. But content-wise, it's a story about the ponies taking an afternoon off to essentially kick Smaug out of his home, except that the dragon plot takes a backseat to Fluttershy's character development. Do the events of Dragonshy "stand in stark contrast" from the rest of season one?
No. Of course not. Because FiM does blend those elements and that is a part of its identity. See also the "rescue" of Rarity from the diamond dogs, or the hydra chase, or the extremely brief buffalo war. Or to go into examples from later seasons we have things like the Tatzlwurm fight, the cartchase through the desert, Spike becoming a hybrid of Godzilla and King Kong, Trixie's return, and pretty much all of Power Ponies.
There's nothing wrong with FiM's format conceptually. What you're complaining about isn't that the show is a mix of adventure and SoL, which even your own examples show you think can work (how the SoL-only series would eventually build up to facing Nightmare Moon anyway, and how the adventure-only series would take Last Airbender-esque moments aside to do SoL stuff). Rather, your contention seems to spring from the scale of the season opener and finale adventure arcs compared to the adventure elements that are part of the "meat" of the show. Because the openers and finales are different enough that we mentally separate them from episodes like Dragonshy.
And don't get me wrong, that's a valid critique, but even then, I still think you're being unfair in lumping all the openers and finales into the one broad category like that. Twilight's Kingdom, Canterlot Wedding and Crystal Empire may have been OTT, but the season four opener was resolved by putting jewels inside a tree to defeat some rowdy plants, MMC was a SoL episode just with higher stakes, and Return of Harmony may have had a villain, but it completely lacked any kind of action or adventuring because Discord fought with mind games and trickery, not force.
While I agree that the alternatives you propose would be viable shows and that I might've been wrong to say that FiM could never have worked without both types of episodes, I still fail to see how going without one type would have been an improvement. FiM could've probably worked without ponies too if it had been conceptualised as a show about a world of magical elves, but it probably wouldn't have been as fun without all the terrible horse puns.
Good points and examples. I'm willing to concede that adventure episodes can work in a SoL format, even though I have other criticisms of the episodes you brought up. Aside from my contention with the relative scope of the openers and finales, it's the execution of these kinds of episodes that I take issue with, and some of them share the pacing issue I have with most of openers/finales.
DeleteDragonshy's a good adventure episode with relational comic relief and pretty solid pacing for a one-shot, but I think it could've worked better with a different resolution, and/or with a second episode. Having the conflict resolve with Fluttershy shouting down the dragon's pretty dumb to me, even for a kids' show, considering that this is before her Stare ability was established in Stare Master--another good example of SoL mixing with adventure. But even in that episode, just having her give a motherly wringing to the object of her stare feels lacking and cheesy to me, so in both cases, my problem is with how Fluttershy as a character resolves conflicts while still being shy and meek.
As for lumping the openers and finales together into a group, I don't think the points you brought up really change my mind. MMC was hardly a SoL episode to me, what with it having both the stakes, the tone, and the up-and-downs of an adventure episode. We're not talking about mild inconveniences and day-to-day shenanigans, we're talking about a glimpse into a dystopian Ponyville if her friends' destinies aren't magically aligned. Like with Return of Harmony, the pacing was pretty terrible, and that was entirely due to the fact that it was a musical episode with 7 songs in it. RoH has more issues than just how events leap from one moment to the next, but that's another discussion. Canterlot Wedding flowed better than RoH, but it's another episode that should've been built up to or referred well in advance, considering how it introduces characters like Shining and Cadence, and it's also another episode where Twilight makes an ass out of herself for some juicy drama, right before she saves the day by herself. Lastly it introduced an important precedent that would be followed up by MMC: there being more than two alicorns, and establishing that you can even become one for whatever arbitrary reason Celestia makes up.
All these episodes, the openers and finales, ultimately suffer from one or both of two things aside from overall poor writing: lack of planning and lack of pacing. For episodes and events that were planned well before S1 aired, they are presented like they were made and written right before the season ends or begins. A good adventure show wouldn't do this, and a SoL show would rarely have these kinds of showstoppers to start or end a season that we're supposed to take seriously. It could have big openers and finales, like The Best Night Ever, but not epic DBZ showdowns with elements of DnD campaigns.
So like I said at the beginning, yes: I'm willing to concede that FiM has had good adventure episodes mixed in with the majority of the SoL episodes. If that were all there was to the show, I might not be so critical of it.
And while I'd disagree with a number of those criticisms of yours about the openers/finales, I feel we've got off on a tangent here. Yes, all these episodes have flaws, but they're flawed in their own individual ways. And if they suffer from a common problem of being poorly planned or whatever else, as you claim, then that's really more on the writers' heads; again, it's not an actual fault of the format, because the format doesn't preclude having some decent build-up, for example.
DeleteI guess when we get right down to it, I think my point was that I believe that you dislike the show right now not because of what FiM is (or more specifically what those episodes are), but merely because the quality of the writing simply isn't up to your standards.
I hope they aren't just my standards, but yeah, that's the long and short of it. I was wrong to attack the format, but I don't think the present writing team is good at realizing it for much more than a few laughs, chuckles and action scenes; scrutinize it any more than that and it falls apart.
DeleteAnd with that, I think we just resolved the argument. I feel like our differences in opinion beyond this just come down to our individual tolerance levels for writing mistakes, and that's more a matter of personal taste. So... good talk, anon.
DeleteYeah, good talk anon. You wouldn't happen to visit /pone/, would you? Plenty of show discussion, CYOA/writefag threads, a few porn dumps, and we just opened up a drawthread. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more things.
DeleteI might have visited once or twice, but generally speaking, no, I don't. I've spent way more time lurking /mlp/, but even then, that's only occasionally. When I get time online at all, I tend to rotate between sites to keep up with everything. I write a lot too, but mostly FimFiction stuff, not writefaggotry like you're thinking of.
DeleteCue the Story of the Blanks cultist community
ReplyDeleteBorrowing from the fandom yet again.
DeleteAw fuck yeah! May the ride last forever!
ReplyDeleteYou so sassy Applejack
ReplyDeleteI can't help but think that scene with Twilight and Spike visiting the destroyed Golden Oaks library will merely be token and depressingly unsatisfying; i.e. phoned-in.
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